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Subject:The Reality of Government
Time:08:57 am
There was an interesting quote that I found reading http://www.tompaine.com. Supposedly, a Bush advisor told reporter Ron Suskind last year, that he was apart of the "reality-based community" and then added:
We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality...we'll act again, creating other new realities...

Regardless of this quote's source, interesting questions arise:
  • Is this true of the US Government and other governments in the world?

  • Do they create our reality and we are forced to adhere to it?

  • Or is Truth (Reality) fixed and unchangeable?
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dj_dreadyd
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Time:2005-03-04 09:28 pm (UTC)
They are not the creators, and neither are we. We both act to create reality and we are all part of the same whole. It's a system f one and noone is the experiencer and noone is the creator. We just are everything. We are the experiencers and the creators...we are.

We will not always adhere to the reality they are trying to create. Everything is determined and there is no way, they are the only determining factor. However they are a great one.
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(Anonymous)
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Time:2005-03-06 12:05 am (UTC)
As abscure and surreal "reality" is to the idealist inside me, I think the bush advisor got it right. We all live and are a part of society. As much as I'd like not to be a number and to live by my own rules, I'm an American with a social security number, bills, and debt who must adhere to something as ridiculous as the Patriot Act. While the bush administration is in office, they make the rules. These rules govern our lives and regulate our reality. The foreign policy used under this administration dictates the realities of many people around the world (um, remember Iraq?). So as pompous as that statement was, this bush advisor is correct when he states, "when we act, we create our own reality." Hopefully Americans will be a little wiser as a whole when electing their next 'reality-creater.'
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theprisoner6
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Time:2005-03-07 01:13 am (UTC)
Is this really an exaggeration?
We all play a role in shaping reality.
Does this quote mean that the government creates the truth or is it more that the people accept a version of that truth because the government spins it that way?
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kandakorn
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Time:2005-03-06 04:37 am (UTC)
Every persons prescence prescence bends reality around them a little and large organisations such as governments, have a much larger and stronger prescence, which threfore bends reality to a greater degree. We are not forced to adhere to this shaping of reality but we naturally find it easier to do so. Easier to go with the tide than against the grain, eh?
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theprisoner6
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Time:2005-03-07 01:17 am (UTC)
Point well taken. In certain periods of history, revolution has forced the tide a different direction and gone against the grain of the current structure. Where is the turning point for this to happen? Has it already happened?
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theprisoner6
Subject:Objective Truth
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Time:2005-03-07 01:10 am (UTC)
Ok... to resurrect an eternal debate based on your responses:

  • Is there such a thing as an objective truth?
  • Are there two sides to every event or is there one true recounting of the event?

  • If it is true that our government is an empire that "creates reality", then what is the role of the media in all of this?
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dj_dreadyd
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Time:2005-03-07 04:31 am (UTC)
Is there such a thing as an objective truth?
>>I suppose. I have an object in front of me. I have a hand that functions and serves several purposes.

Are there two sides to every event or is there one true recounting of the event?
>>What happened in a case happened. To recall that occurence properly and accurately it is helpful to get as many first hand perspectives as possible.


If it is true that our government is an empire that "creates reality", then what is the role of the media in all of this?

>>It is not entirely true. The media is just as much of a factor in the creation or relayed interpretation of reality as the government.
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